Chump - You have to realise that it's not just about the pay rise - it's about recognition for the skills and knowledge that we have. As technicians, we currently do 12 lead ECGs and interpret them, we give life-saving drugs, and we work with and supervise trainee technicians. The job profile for Band 4 of Agenda for Change doesn't recognise ECGs, the giving of drugs or supervising trainees. The £33,652 quoted in the standard is for Emergency Care Practitioners - advanced paramedics, who will be in pay band 6. Paramedics in band 5 will get about £31k, providing they qualify for the maximum 25% unsocial hours payments. Remember I said the deal isn't all it's being made out to be? Paramedic's basic pay will be around the £23k mark. Next you'll be hearing that paramedics have received X thousand pounds in a lump sum - that's what they're owed in back pay to October 2004 when A4C was supposed to come in.