(Whilst I understand that *you* actually do hold a professional Qualification) lets remember that in order to become an ambulance tech you only need a few GCSE's, you dont spend years training at degree/HE level, (maybe all ambulance staff should?) Is it fair to pay Ambulance staff the same as highly qualified Hospital staff. Ambulance crews will have a patient ratio of 1:1 whereas nurses can have 1:30! -I can see the logic behind banding techs into 4, My personal feelings is that we all have a crap deal. - LN