if it helps... to all intents and purposes, I get paid for being in a large amount of pain and not being able to do everything I should be able to do. I'm not getting time off that for Christmas either. They're also not giving time off to my wonderful friends and family who keep me smiling, make sure I get a hot meal inside me once a day, and so on. So can we borrow your size 12s? Sweaty hairy man made me *boik* though. I think you have the sticky end of the stick.