Hi bookwormom Disagreeing with someone is not impolite. And one tries to reply in the character of the original blog. Tom said: "Luckily the ambulance crew turned up before I could tell her that the best thing she could do was die quickly of lung cancer so her kids might get adopted into a family that may have the slightest concern for their health. Yes - I am an anti-smoking nazi, especially when you are fucking up the lives of children who have no say in the matter." You must be a Tom groupie if you don't find that impolite. But I would lighten up a bit. The general language may be a bit OTT but there is a really important point to debate here (which I might say, Tom is doing) And I would say to you, as I have said to others; I don't know if you are male or female. Eitherway, you obviously know bugger all about having a baby. Starting the second stage of labour is very painful, it is a time when women are understandably feeling vulnerable and fragile, and it is ABOSLUTELY not the time to start criticising them or giving them inappropriate and gratuitous health education. You have a lot to learn about life.