don't you think there are an awful lot of people who "speed drink" because of the licencing hours I thought that that was what was happening; however, it is becoming clearer that a lot of people - women as well as men - are already pie-eyed before they get to the club or pub. It needs a culture change, and I cannot see any sign of that happening. I remember having a party at home, some years ago, during which one young man came to me to tell me indignantly and unapologetically that he had thrown up in the bathroom handbasin; he really seemed to expect me to blame myself (for what?) and to be motheringly pitying and comforting - I was not of course. Rachel in SE7