In the old Avon, the reason Techs were given IM Adrenaline was because they were able to Calpol (or Carlpoll if you're from Bristol) and there was a risk of allergic reaction. You're quite right to applaud the family Tom, I agree that there are not enough parents who give the Calpol or the Ibuprofen, and certainly not early enough. The combined effect of the two can't be beaten! I also know exactly where you are coming from as an FRU Para, I was sat on scene with a patient with a bradycardia, and they were poorly. I'd done everything I could for the patient, 39 minutes later in walked the crew. I don't know about LAS but GWAS (formerly Avon, Glouc & Wilts) is struggling to cover everything. Unfortunately they don't give any general circulation type messages out down here so you just have to wait your turn. If another red call comes in, no matter how long you are waiting the vehicle will be sent to them, as you've said time and again it's about that 8 & 19 minutes tick, not the patient.