"In addition black boys and white working class boys take very little notice of white women who try to persuade them that guns and knifes are a bad idea" I know, but you can't really blame them for that - it must be like when some billionaire rock star tries to tell people struggling with their rent that really should donate £80 to some pet charity, because it's not much money! Whenever I hear that kind of rubbish, I think, come on - like, "your life is so different to mine, WTF do you know about my day-to-day survival?!" People who are perceived to have easier, softer lives never make good leaders when you're up against the sharp end of personal danger, personal difficulty, that they have never faced in their lives. IMO it's a failure on the part of the men who have moved through and beyond that world, that they cannot spare the time and energy to go back and show the kids a better way. And as for the girls having the babies in their teens, while lots of professional women leave it too late, I wonder what Darwin would make of that....?