...as far as some of us are concerned, you guys could well be talking Martian... :P The first computer my dad had was an Amstrad, in all its green-and-black glory. Had precisely 1 computer game, some kind of helicopter flight simulation that came without instructions. The whole family combined could never work out how to make it do more than just fly straight up until it ran out of fuel and crashed in a big, green explosion onto the landing pad. ...happy days. I would tell you about the size of my mate's staff discount at Apple, Tom, but you'll only get jealous!