Don't pay any attention to it. As a MOP I completely understand and support the views you expressed. It's the only sensible view. The BBC has been at the forefront of dumbing down & R5 is ahead of the game with programmes like this. Followed closely by the likes of Jeremy Vine, the , Juhn Humphries, the Dimbledroids & so on. It's all about "entertainment" now. Headlines & soundbites for morons. High quality real debates, such as those broadcast a few years ago between Enoch Powell and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn, would be seen as elitist today. Pity. They were excellent.