I know it's feasible to make ethical and moral judgements without the big bearded guy up in the sky, but it is also perfectly reasonable to base one's ethical and moral judgements on the teachings of one's religion. But I haven't made any religious arguments - I know that some religions have declared the life starts at conception, and I happen to agree with that. If life doesn't start at conception, then where does it start? At birth? When can we truly say that a human is self-aware. What if it's 6 months old? Could we justify killing a 4-month old as it isn't self-aware. What about an elderly patient with dementia, who needs 24-hour supervision? The question of when human life begins and ends is an important question, and it's not just based on religion. I haven't confused anything. It's perfectly valid for my ethics and morality to be informed by my religion. If that's not allowed, then we don't have freedom of religion. Leo