Brilliant post again Tom, and an interesting debate going on here. So to add my thoughts; Religion - Believe it if it makes you feel better, I'm an atheist you're a catholic, have fun! However, don't make your religion restrict my life choices, I don't inflict mine on you, so respect the difference. If Christians, or any other religion, don't want to accept late term abortions, or any abortions in their teachings, that is their choice, but they should not enforce their law on everybody. Jehovah's Witnesses don't usually allow blood transfusions, but they haven't tried to ban them for everybody else. Choice is the symbol of a free society. Research - Stem cell, animal testing, computer modeling, etc. we're going to need all of them if we want to improve healthcare for all. Having watched friends and relatives suffer and die through cancer and various forms of dementia, I am all for testing that will lead to medicines that let somebody (Christian, or whatever) enjoy a few more days, minutes or hours with their loved ones, or even provide a long term cure. Given the choice I think almost everybody (with a few extremist and dangerous exceptions) would choose to live, and if the testing allows us to help those suffering do that, then how can anybody vote against it? Cheers, Ian