I can't agree with your The Ultimate Test, particularly in reference to antisocial behavior. By that measure, the yobs who attacked police officers in Manchester recently, beating one to the ground and kicking him weren't responsible for their actions. "Joyriders" who ram police cars looking for a chase aren't responsible for their actions. Examples are numerous. These people are not afraid of the consequences of their actions, therefore do not fear the police or any authority. During "the troubles" in Northern Ireland, the police were discouraged from attending calls in certain areas, and the IRA set themselves up as judge, jury and often executioner. Antisocial behavior was discouraged by punishment beatings, kneecappings, having wrists and ankles shattered, and eventually a bullet to the back of the head. Antisocial behaviour still flourished, with several instances of joyriders driving through police/army checkpoints resulting in joyriders being shot (which the IRA bitterly protested, but that's a different story). It seems that life is so empty for some, that the risks of pain and death are blurred by the momentary high of the thrill of the chase. I'm not defending or justifying, just pointing out what another poster said. Some people are just rotten, and should be locked away forever.