lol, I like that arguement! I guess you're right. I still hold my opinion, however, that if someone's behaviour is down to a decision they have made, they're a "Villain" eg. I decide I quite fancy trying a bit of pot. I quite enjoy it, and do it regularly. I'm not addicted, I just do it most days because I like it. The more I do it, however, the less effect it has on me. One day, one of my friends suggests I try something else. He says I'll enjoy it more. I do, so I start doing that instead of pot. This process continues, until I am taking heroin every day. By this point, I need it. I crave that high, and all I can think about is how to get that next rush. I run out of money, so I "borrow" some money from a friend of mine's wallet. I owe more and more money, until I'm regularly stealing, and stealing lots. Is it my fault I'm a thief? Of course. In this case, if I hadn't tried the cannabis in the first place, I would never have ended up a thief. I am a "villain", as the theft comes purely as a consequence of my decision. On the other hand: I was never very bright as a kid. couldn't get the grades, although I tried really hard. I always behaved at school, but try as I might, just wasn't clever enough. I just scraped 2 GCSE passes, then tried to get a job. I couldn't. I just didn't have the basic intellect, or the communication skills, to get anything. I signed up for the dole, and just scraped by. I have a kid, and whilst my benefits increase, so do my outgoings. I know, however, that I can't go on like this. I need a job. I finally get one, but the pay is so poor, the amount of money I have to live on actually decreases. Regardless, I work, as it's the only way I can get promoted, and the only way I can eventually increase my standard of living, and that of my kid. The kid stays with its grandmother whilst I work. I work hard, and finally a promotion comes up. I'm tipped to get it. Pay's slightly better than the dole, but anything helps. My mum gets ill. She can't cope with looking after the kid. I do the sums, and I reckon that, with my new job, I can just about afford to send the kid to daycare, but we'll have to tighten our belts a bit. I don't get the promotion. Now I can't afford to send the kid to daycare, but if I don't, I can't work, and we don't eat. We can't survive on this wage - we need more money. I feel I have no choice, and I start putting my hand in the till, and short-changing customers. I only take an extra tenner a week, but its enough to feed the kid. Here, despite my best efforts, I'm forced into crime. Here, I am a "victim" Is the crime due to a choice, or despite their best efforts. This is how I determine whether someone is "villain or victim"