I know it may be a pain in the arse but l can well understand why the elderly, in the words of Dylan Thomas, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The fear is, if they give up the fight, then they will go downhill rapidly and l'm not sure they don't have a point. The queston is, how do we balance that right to rage and maintain independence with the requirement to look after those who need help but don't want (Or are too afraid) to admit it. It's a question of balance, rights and resposibilities...never an easy one.