Can't but agree with your main points Cheesy. Unfortunately we have to deal with the here and now. I sincerely hope that someone gets a grip on these parents so that we don't have more kids going down the same route. However, a school can't undo the damage that's already been done - or at least, not at once. I hope that in future we can again breed kids who will take "no" for an answer. In the meantime, my first aiders (I lead first aid) when asked what they'd like training in over the next year came up with "dealing with knife and gunshot wounds". I think the latter is a little pessimistic but I'm just witing for our first stabbing.