Re; The Psychiatric patients. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Make official complaints.. tell the people that can change things.. get someone to come and do training to the staff at the trusts.. if its NELFT, tell me, I can make sure those that can change things get the information. I gave the "management" some print outs of some of your posts recently, and they are interested.. Actually, you have just given me another idea.. Now to try and find someone in LAS willing to come talk to service users about what the LAS does and what it *shouldn't* do! (any ideas?)